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		<title>Comment on Q&amp;A: Why do Cons want to minimize the importance of education all the time? by Answers For Everything</title>
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		<dc:creator>Answers For Everything</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2011 18:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Cons&quot; lol I like that.

If the student doesn&#039;t obtain skills that make them more valuable per hour than the legally mandated minimum wage rate, they simply won&#039;t be hired. It doesn&#039;t make business sense to pay more for something than the value you get in return. Schools are having a very hard time producing students whose skills are more valuable than the cost of hiring them. This is compounded by the facts that labor is quite expensive in this country, compared to that in China or India, and that the federally mandated minimum wage keeps employees who are willing to work for less than the minimum wage from competing with the Chinese or Indian workers.

Also, when I see a college spending money on lavish remodeling projects instead of on the core business of educating students, it does not make me more interested in increasing pell grants, scholarships, or allowing tuition increases. From my perspective, it looks like they already have plenty of money that they are just choosing to use ineffectively. When I see teenagers going to school and learning more about stealing cars than about job skills, it doesn&#039;t make me more interested in funding schools. To me, it looks like providing the location for them to meet is just increasing the chance I&#039;ll lose my car.

So basically:
-School needs to be provided to those who both want to go to school and can make use of the education. 
-School should be optional at best for those who don&#039;t want to be there.
-There should not be public funding for students to go to classes that they are highly unlikely to benefit from.
-The benefit should exceed the cost of providing the service. (This is the real reason the government is having debt problems. It borrows money to pay for things that won&#039;t help the economy or even help repay the loan. The borrowed money is gone, but the problems that existed when the money was borrowed still exist, and now we have the additional problem of how to repay the loan.)

As a side note to the last item in that list, I would really rather see the benefit of the classes be increased to make them worth the money, than see the funding get cut. It is money well spent, but only if we are getting something of equal or greater value than the money we spend. Knowledge is valuable, but $ 130 for a textbook that is not even as good as a $ 20 Complete Idiot&#039;s Guide is the kind of ripoff colleges are becoming notorious for. Many of my college classes consisted of mainly the textbook and two exams. I don&#039;t know why we had to pay an extra $ 200 each for a building to meet in and who-knows-how-much for the professor who didn&#039;t add any value to the class. I really think I get more from CIGs, some of which I can even find at the library for free, than I got from a lot of my college classes. 

I really think that anything related to school that does not directly translate to a possible line on the student&#039;s resume should not be publicly funded. I&#039;m willing to accept a few links such as art class increases creativity and therefore helps critical thinking, so this shouldn&#039;t be a terrible hardship to accomplish. But a line has to be drawn somewhere. Paying for over a decade of school that does not result in the student becoming gainfully employed is ridiculous.

It isn&#039;t really that &quot;Cons&quot; want to kill off education; they just want to see the benefits outweigh the cost, instead of hearing people say that going to school leads to a good job, then ignoring everything else that costs money and has to go right between school and the job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Cons&#8221; lol I like that.</p>
<p>If the student doesn&#8217;t obtain skills that make them more valuable per hour than the legally mandated minimum wage rate, they simply won&#8217;t be hired. It doesn&#8217;t make business sense to pay more for something than the value you get in return. Schools are having a very hard time producing students whose skills are more valuable than the cost of hiring them. This is compounded by the facts that labor is quite expensive in this country, compared to that in China or India, and that the federally mandated minimum wage keeps employees who are willing to work for less than the minimum wage from competing with the Chinese or Indian workers.</p>
<p>Also, when I see a college spending money on lavish remodeling projects instead of on the core business of educating students, it does not make me more interested in increasing pell grants, scholarships, or allowing tuition increases. From my perspective, it looks like they already have plenty of money that they are just choosing to use ineffectively. When I see teenagers going to school and learning more about stealing cars than about job skills, it doesn&#8217;t make me more interested in funding schools. To me, it looks like providing the location for them to meet is just increasing the chance I&#8217;ll lose my car.</p>
<p>So basically:<br />
-School needs to be provided to those who both want to go to school and can make use of the education.<br />
-School should be optional at best for those who don&#8217;t want to be there.<br />
-There should not be public funding for students to go to classes that they are highly unlikely to benefit from.<br />
-The benefit should exceed the cost of providing the service. (This is the real reason the government is having debt problems. It borrows money to pay for things that won&#8217;t help the economy or even help repay the loan. The borrowed money is gone, but the problems that existed when the money was borrowed still exist, and now we have the additional problem of how to repay the loan.)</p>
<p>As a side note to the last item in that list, I would really rather see the benefit of the classes be increased to make them worth the money, than see the funding get cut. It is money well spent, but only if we are getting something of equal or greater value than the money we spend. Knowledge is valuable, but $ 130 for a textbook that is not even as good as a $ 20 Complete Idiot&#8217;s Guide is the kind of ripoff colleges are becoming notorious for. Many of my college classes consisted of mainly the textbook and two exams. I don&#8217;t know why we had to pay an extra $ 200 each for a building to meet in and who-knows-how-much for the professor who didn&#8217;t add any value to the class. I really think I get more from CIGs, some of which I can even find at the library for free, than I got from a lot of my college classes. </p>
<p>I really think that anything related to school that does not directly translate to a possible line on the student&#8217;s resume should not be publicly funded. I&#8217;m willing to accept a few links such as art class increases creativity and therefore helps critical thinking, so this shouldn&#8217;t be a terrible hardship to accomplish. But a line has to be drawn somewhere. Paying for over a decade of school that does not result in the student becoming gainfully employed is ridiculous.</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t really that &#8220;Cons&#8221; want to kill off education; they just want to see the benefits outweigh the cost, instead of hearing people say that going to school leads to a good job, then ignoring everything else that costs money and has to go right between school and the job.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Q&amp;A: Why do Cons want to minimize the importance of education all the time? by jeeper_peeper321</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeeper_peeper321</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2011 17:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yea, i guess thats why republicans increase education funding at twoce the level democrsts do.

Go look at the federal education budget yourself and see what increases go with which presidents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yea, i guess thats why republicans increase education funding at twoce the level democrsts do.</p>
<p>Go look at the federal education budget yourself and see what increases go with which presidents.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Q&amp;A: Why do Cons want to minimize the importance of education all the time? by bluelotussmellslikebananas</title>
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		<dc:creator>bluelotussmellslikebananas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2011 17:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our education system has failed miserably. Unlike the countries with a Monarchy, we don&#039;t have a President that serves his lifetime but in the teaching system, we do.  Be them excellent or be them horrible. Can&#039;t reward them and you can&#039;t get get rid of them. So by your rationale, it&#039;s better to just leave it be?  Let the system continue to fail the students and the nation in world competition?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our education system has failed miserably. Unlike the countries with a Monarchy, we don&#8217;t have a President that serves his lifetime but in the teaching system, we do.  Be them excellent or be them horrible. Can&#8217;t reward them and you can&#8217;t get get rid of them. So by your rationale, it&#8217;s better to just leave it be?  Let the system continue to fail the students and the nation in world competition?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Q&amp;A: Why do Cons want to minimize the importance of education all the time? by Fed Up</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fed Up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2011 16:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lock step rednecks all ask the same question.

Why did they skip school?

Because a few days without classes are better than a life of low budget teachers.

You think they don&#039;t care now?

You think whatever you&#039;re told.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lock step rednecks all ask the same question.</p>
<p>Why did they skip school?</p>
<p>Because a few days without classes are better than a life of low budget teachers.</p>
<p>You think they don&#8217;t care now?</p>
<p>You think whatever you&#8217;re told.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Q&amp;A: Why do Cons want to minimize the importance of education all the time? by Itsjustme</title>
		<link>http://www.bathore.net/blog/2011/08/17/qa-why-do-cons-want-to-minimize-the-importance-of-education-all-the-time/#comment-125</link>
		<dc:creator>Itsjustme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2011 15:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BAHHHHHHH HA HA HA HA HA HA! 

that&#039;s a good one! Seriously? That doesn&#039;t even make sense, where&#039;s your reference? Are you quoting your old boss because you carry some deep-rooted upset about him and you assume he was a conservative or what?

Unbelieveable- what hole did you pull this information out of? Make-believe conspiracies make me smile:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BAHHHHHHH HA HA HA HA HA HA! </p>
<p>that&#8217;s a good one! Seriously? That doesn&#8217;t even make sense, where&#8217;s your reference? Are you quoting your old boss because you carry some deep-rooted upset about him and you assume he was a conservative or what?</p>
<p>Unbelieveable- what hole did you pull this information out of? Make-believe conspiracies make me smile:)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Should people be able to sue the education department for issues such as bullying? by Pascha</title>
		<link>http://www.bathore.net/blog/2011/08/17/should-people-be-able-to-sue-the-education-department-for-issues-such-as-bullying/#comment-100</link>
		<dc:creator>Pascha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2011 15:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it should depend on how seriously harmful that bullying was and the extent to which teachers and staff were aware of it and ignored it.

Bullying is child abuse done by children to other children.  When adults acquiesce to that, they are passive facilitators.

I am not on the side of those who think that the bullied child just has to toughen up.  Too many children feel terrorized and helpless when adults ignore bullying or minimize its importance.   

In addition, allowing this behavior to go on encourages some children to grow up to be bullies who will harm others in even more dangerous ways when they are adults.   That could be the training ground for those with the social attitudes of a dictator.

Parents who tell their kids to toughen up may also be encouraging them to be bullies victimizing other kids.   Parents should talk to their children about how they relate to other kids but not encourage them to be abusive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it should depend on how seriously harmful that bullying was and the extent to which teachers and staff were aware of it and ignored it.</p>
<p>Bullying is child abuse done by children to other children.  When adults acquiesce to that, they are passive facilitators.</p>
<p>I am not on the side of those who think that the bullied child just has to toughen up.  Too many children feel terrorized and helpless when adults ignore bullying or minimize its importance.   </p>
<p>In addition, allowing this behavior to go on encourages some children to grow up to be bullies who will harm others in even more dangerous ways when they are adults.   That could be the training ground for those with the social attitudes of a dictator.</p>
<p>Parents who tell their kids to toughen up may also be encouraging them to be bullies victimizing other kids.   Parents should talk to their children about how they relate to other kids but not encourage them to be abusive.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Q&amp;A: Why do Cons want to minimize the importance of education all the time? by Leslie Goudy</title>
		<link>http://www.bathore.net/blog/2011/08/17/qa-why-do-cons-want-to-minimize-the-importance-of-education-all-the-time/#comment-124</link>
		<dc:creator>Leslie Goudy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2011 15:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Their whole thing is they don&#039;t believe in public education.  They want to privatize everything and shut down the Federal Government.  lol  What do you think would happen then if they somehow got their way</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Their whole thing is they don&#8217;t believe in public education.  They want to privatize everything and shut down the Federal Government.  lol  What do you think would happen then if they somehow got their way</p>
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		<title>Comment on Should a reasonably free formal education continue to be a Right or should it be a Privilege? by Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.bathore.net/blog/2011/08/17/should-a-reasonably-free-formal-education-continue-to-be-a-right-or-should-it-be-a-privilege/#comment-46</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2011 15:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Turkish citizens have free medical and the opportunity for free college.  If we quit squandering our wealth on foreign wars and extending welfare into Mexico, militarizing police forces and paying corrupt politicians huge salaries, we could match this emerging country in benefits of citizenship.
Illiteracy and ignorance put Obama in the White House, it&#039;s not just here, it&#039;s the planned result of government interference in education starting in 1959.  Home schooled kids are showing a remarkable advantage over publicly indoctrinated kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Turkish citizens have free medical and the opportunity for free college.  If we quit squandering our wealth on foreign wars and extending welfare into Mexico, militarizing police forces and paying corrupt politicians huge salaries, we could match this emerging country in benefits of citizenship.<br />
Illiteracy and ignorance put Obama in the White House, it&#8217;s not just here, it&#8217;s the planned result of government interference in education starting in 1959.  Home schooled kids are showing a remarkable advantage over publicly indoctrinated kids.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Q&amp;A: Why do Cons want to minimize the importance of education all the time? by bliggityblog</title>
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		<dc:creator>bliggityblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2011 14:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We don&#039;t minimize the importance of education... We minimize the importance of throwing money at a problem that isn&#039;t solved by increasing funding...

Look at a graph of education spending in the US over any given time period... let&#039;s say.. 40 years or so... It shoots straight for the sky... Then look at a graph of the performance of the schools during that time period... It&#039;s a flat line...

If there is no return on an &quot;investment&quot; in education, it is mal-investment... Same goes for infrastructure spending...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We don&#8217;t minimize the importance of education&#8230; We minimize the importance of throwing money at a problem that isn&#8217;t solved by increasing funding&#8230;</p>
<p>Look at a graph of education spending in the US over any given time period&#8230; let&#8217;s say.. 40 years or so&#8230; It shoots straight for the sky&#8230; Then look at a graph of the performance of the schools during that time period&#8230; It&#8217;s a flat line&#8230;</p>
<p>If there is no return on an &#8220;investment&#8221; in education, it is mal-investment&#8230; Same goes for infrastructure spending&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Should people be able to sue the education department for issues such as bullying? by Question G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Question G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2011 14:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you went up to your teacher every day and said &quot;John keeps hitting me please don&#039;t make me sit by him&quot; and the teacher said &quot;shut up and go back to your chair,&quot; then the teacher should be fired but suing is frivolous. 

This is just one offshoot of this generation&#039;s &quot;special little snowflake&quot; syndrome, where people believe that they are entitled to ghastly amounts of money any time anything bad ever happened to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you went up to your teacher every day and said &#8220;John keeps hitting me please don&#8217;t make me sit by him&#8221; and the teacher said &#8220;shut up and go back to your chair,&#8221; then the teacher should be fired but suing is frivolous. </p>
<p>This is just one offshoot of this generation&#8217;s &#8220;special little snowflake&#8221; syndrome, where people believe that they are entitled to ghastly amounts of money any time anything bad ever happened to them.</p>
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